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Tropical wave bringing heavy rain to northern Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 01:57 PM GMT on Juli 18, 2010 +3
A tropical wave near 18N, 60W is entering the northernmost Lesser Antilles Islands and is generating some disorganized heavy thunderstorm activity. This wave is under about 20 knots of wind shear, due to strong upper-level westerly winds. The strong upper-level winds are associated with the counter-clockwise flow of air around an upper-level cold-cored low pressure system a few hundred miles north of Puerto Rico. As the wave progresses west to west-northwest through Tuesday, thunderstorm activity will increase, due to interaction with the upper low. The rains from these thunderstorms will bring the threat of flooding to Puerto Rico on Monday, the Dominican Republic on Tuesday, and Haiti on Wednesday. The upper low will also bring high wind shear of 20 - 30 knots over the the wave on Monday and Tuesday. No development of the wave is likely until at least Thursday, when it will be over the eastern Bahamas and eastern Cuba. At that time, shear is expected to drop below 20 knots, and the wave has the potential to develop. However, none of the reliable computer models is calling for tropical cyclone development over the next seven days. I expect that this wave will eventually enter the Gulf of Mexico early next week. NHC is giving the wave a 10% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of tropical wave entering the Lesser Antilles Islands.

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1352. Grothar 12:05 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
That ULL seems to be interfering with the development of the wave east of the Antilles.

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1353. CJC111 12:05 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Thanks, StormW. I realize that the air masses sway back and forth but that does tell me that there may be less fish storms. Hate to hear that. 1 storm is too many. Don't recall ever hearing about a landfall hurricane that didn't kill at least 1 person.

P.S.
Hope that the overwhelming show of support will help alleviate some of the frustration. I know that you have to be overly redundant sometimes to drive the point home but your input is much appreciated
1354. msgambler 12:05 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Tootin caster. LOL!
Good evening Storm, Ya see what I hav to put up wit?
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1355. TropicalAnalystwx13 12:06 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting StormW:
Ok. gang...I appreciate the nice comments, but please do not leave out Drak, Levi32, 456, and others with GREAT forecasting skills. It's hard to name everyone. And, if ya ever want to know anything about NASA, Oil platforms and the business, and especially Hurricane Preparedness, Patrap is your go to guy!


I think Levi is having a hard time with Calculus...Poor guy.
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1356. Tropicsweatherpr 12:06 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
StormW, what is the latest on the NAO? I ask because is another piece of the puzzle for the active season expected.
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1357. mrsalagranny 12:06 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting Grothar:


Quoting StormW:


Well, per se...I've been noticing the way the ridge keeps setting up after fluctuating, MAY indicate that in a manner of speaking, most of anything that travels in latitude from possibly 17N southward, or 15N southward could be game for anywhere in the GOMEX to FL. Anything above has the possibility along the east coast...hard to tell right now where exactly the landfalls will be, as it will depend on where a system develops. orientation of the subtropical ridge, and strength of the ridge at the time. Though still forecast to be mostly a negative NAO, the Azores/Bermuda high fluctuates in strength anywhere from a daily, to at least 2 week basis. Again, I personally believe we will see somewhat of a "spray" pattern, and a blend possibly of 1995, 1998, and 2004.
Good evening Storm.Glad to see you back.My goodness I was packing my bags to head your way and try to convince you to not give up on us.LOL!!!!But seriously I for one and so do so many others respect you with the utmost respect.
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1359. Skyepony (Mod) 12:07 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
CMC is gamely with a double landfall, 2 storms at once in north MX & SFL in 5 days. It doesn't develop the Jamaican blob.

MSGambler~ I haven't seen the feeds. Just the article that seeps were afoot & BP wasn't doing what the govt wanted..

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1360. nrtiwlnvragn 12:08 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:
NRT, is the COAPS GSM based on the COAPS's new model for forecasting hurricane season totals?


Not sure they don't specifically say, but I believe it is. That sites concensus for the season:

There is a consensus that ASO 2010 will be a season of large AWP, weak Caribbean low level jet, weak southerlies from the Gulf of Mexico* and weak North Atlantic Sub-tropical high. As a consequence of these changes in the circulation features and the anomalous large AWP we expect a higher probability of the following:

1.Weaker than normal rainfall over southern Mexico
2.Weaker than normal rainfall over mid-west and North American monsoon region
3.Weaker than normal Tornado activity in the Tornado alley
4.Stronger than normal rainfall in South Florida and Cuba
5.Weaker than normal vertical shear in the maximum development region of the tropical Atlantic
6.Stronger than normal Atlantic tropical cyclone activity
* Although a majority of the models in this forum seem to display stronger than normal southerlies over the US at 850hPa, which may be a response to the cold SST in the Equatorial East Pacific.


Website under Consensus Forecast

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1361. aquak9 12:08 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Tootin-caster!!!

THANK YOU!! I LOVE IT!!
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1362. mcluvincane 12:09 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting Grothar:
That ULL seems to be interfering with the development of the wave east of the Antilles.



ULL collapsing
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1363. msgambler 12:09 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting Skyepony:
CMC is gamely with a double landfall, 2 storms at once in north MX & SFL in 5 days. It doesn't develop the Jamaican blob.

MSGambler~ I haven't seen the feeds. Just the article that seeps were afoot & BP was doing what the govt wanted..

Thank you Skye, your the best. I don't care what Storm says....LOL
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1364. msgambler 12:10 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Evening granny
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1366. TropicalAnalystwx13 12:11 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
StormW, what is the latest on the NAO? I ask because is another piece of the puzzle for the active season expected.


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1367. JRRP 12:11 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
StormW, what is the latest on the NAO? I ask because is another piece of the puzzle for the active season expected.

will switch to slight positive
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1368. CJC111 12:11 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
There's not only the ones who do a great job of analysis but also many here who have a great wealth of information at their fingertips. Storm mentioned a few very respected names but the posting of images, model runs, track history, satellite, etc. are very helpful for those of us who normally would not see such things. Thanks to many.
1371. stormpetrol 12:11 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Stop looking at MJO, NAO, if storms gonna form they are gonna form regardless of MJO or NAO! Models don't mean much in terms of development or strength, as to where they will head I give them more credit for, just watch wait and see :) my philosophy only!
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1372. tropics21 12:12 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting PanhandleChuck:


It is known as the Constantly Making Cyclones model
or Constantly Making Chaos
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1373. HurricaneKatrina 12:13 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
Couple of interesting images from IASCLIP:
IASCLIP is the Intra-Americas Studies of CLImate Processesthe Intra-Americas Seas CLImate Program, a new CLIVAR-VAMOS initiative for 2009-2014, endorsed by CLIVAR. The overarching goal of this program is to estimate and exploit potential predictability of warm-season weather and climate in the region (North America, Central America and Intra-Americas Seas), mainly on intraseasonal to interannual time scales, based on improved understanding and modeling of relevant physical and dynamical processes. IASCLIP will also seek to link research to societal applications in the region.






COAPS GSM depection of this season


Are those paths predicted to happen?
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1375. stillwaiting 12:14 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
guessing we'll see some convection forming in the area between 14-17N and 80-84W overnight near our future invest IMO...
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1376. TropicalNonsense 12:14 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting tropicaltank:
I agree. What does the CMC model show?


it shows 2 tropical systems forming from the 3 existing waves we
are currently seeing in the Carribean. One striking the Texas/Mexico
border area
similiar to ALEX and the other hitting the most populated
area in south florida near Miami/Dade.
I usually dont trust the CMC track
wise but it may be on to something. I will post a link in a min so you can
see for yourself. It's looks very interesting though for sure.
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1377. TropicalAnalystwx13 12:15 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting tropics21:
or Constantly Making Chaos


I wish it was Constantly Making Cookies, because I'd eat them all up! LOL
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1379. pottery 12:16 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Hi Gambler.
Good to see you, keeping the Weather-Eye focused.
I am looking at the Caribbean, and thinking "this looks interesting".
The recent waves off Africa have been dissed by SAL, but I dont think that SAL is going to stick around much longer...
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1380. HurricaneSwirl 12:16 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


See post 1119


Thanks! I have no idea how I missed it. I went back and looked at TWO's and after Alex dissipated the TWO just said refer to the HPC for more information. While TD2 stuck around quite a while after it dissipated on the TWO because of HPC's advisories. So you're most likely right.
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1381. 305st0rm 12:16 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Cookie Caster
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1382. CybrTeddy 12:17 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
CMC completely ignores the TUTT nearby.
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1383. CJC111 12:17 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Another quick question for those who may know. How often are the models "tweaked". Seems that if the CMC had a model run through the end of the season, there would be 132 named storms and everyone would need to be 1000 miles inland. How good at the different groups at changing tdhe computations and adding or subtracting data that should be changed and seeing what the new plot would be? As a programmer, the subject intrigues me.
1384. stormpetrol 12:18 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


However, the only thing with the MJO, it's been proven with the Multivariate Index.

StormW , just one thing I was saddened today to learn you were thinking of leaving this blog, please don't, its people like you I learn from regardless of the odd theories i throw around at times, science is science until proven otherwise! Stay with us Please!
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1385. mrsalagranny 12:18 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Good evenin Msgambler.Did you get some of the rain today?It has been raining all day here in Semmes.Mor of a light rain than anything.
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1387. msgambler 12:18 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Yeah pottery, the SAL was looking pretty weak this afternoon. Just hoping nothing developes with the AOI around PR/DR and JAM.
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1388. TropicalNonsense 12:19 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting TropicalNonsense:


it shows 2 tropical systems forming from the 3 existing waves we
are currently seeing in the carribean. One striking the Texas/Mexico
border area
similiar to ALEX and the other hitting the most populated
area in south florida near Miami/Dade.
I usually dont trust the CMC track
wise but it may be on to something. I will post a link in a min so you can
see for yourself. It's looks very interesting though for sure.


CMC Link
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1389. nrtiwlnvragn 12:19 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting HurricaneKatrina:
Are those paths predicted to happen?


They are from a Global Spectral Model, which are used for climate forecasting. I have not seen any work published comparing forecast vs. actual. Since it is a seasonal forecast (August, September, October) I would not put much weight in actual tracks, but would consider it for number of systems.
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1390. bappit 12:20 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Low Cloud Product Image,Caribbean

cool, was wanting something like that the other day
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1391. Drakoen 12:20 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Not sure they don't specifically say, but I believe it is. That sites concensus for the season:

There is a consensus that ASO 2010 will be a season of large AWP, weak Caribbean low level jet, weak southerlies from the Gulf of Mexico* and weak North Atlantic Sub-tropical high. As a consequence of these changes in the circulation features and the anomalous large AWP we expect a higher probability of the following:

1.Weaker than normal rainfall over southern Mexico
2.Weaker than normal rainfall over mid-west and North American monsoon region
3.Weaker than normal Tornado activity in the Tornado alley
4.Stronger than normal rainfall in South Florida and Cuba
5.Weaker than normal vertical shear in the maximum development region of the tropical Atlantic
6.Stronger than normal Atlantic tropical cyclone activity
* Although a majority of the models in this forum seem to display stronger than normal southerlies over the US at 850hPa, which may be a response to the cold SST in the Equatorial East Pacific.


Website under Consensus Forecast



Thanks for sharing! You're always on top of stuff like this
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1392. msgambler 12:20 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
We got very little a cpl hour ago. But was just enough to water my (wifes) plants.
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1393. CybrTeddy 12:21 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
CMC however, might not be too seriously insane with having two tropical waves affect Florida. GFS para 18Z



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1394. stillwaiting 12:21 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
anyone see the cyclone starting to form north of PR this evening????
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1396. KYDan 12:21 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    



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1397. TropicalNonsense 12:22 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting tropics21:
or Constantly Making Chaos


actually it was "redone" recently and with the upgrades
it is supposed to rival the GFS long term.
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1399. cirrocumulus 12:23 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
A 2010 report correlates low sunspot activity with high cyclonic activity. Fewer sunspots appear to decrease temperature in the upper atmosphere, creating unstable conditions that help create cyclones. Analyzing historical data, there had been a 25% chance of at least one hurricane striking the continental US during a peak sunspot year; a 64% chance during a low sunspot year. In June 2010, the hurricanes predictors in the US were not using this information.[92]

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1400. 305st0rm 12:23 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
Quoting stillwaiting:
anyone see the cyclone starting to form north of PR this evening????

Storm hinted on the spin-up visible on the IR2
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1401. stillwaiting 12:23 AM GMT on Juli 19, 2010    
looks like a mlc trying to working its way to the surface...PR AOI
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